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Hello Ladies!

I really want to cloth diaper and I'm building my registry now. I'm not sure what I'm having yet but I'm doing everything neutral for the most part. BUT...how many diapers do I need?

I have registered for 14 cloth diapers. I'm a COMPLETE noob here. First baby, first pregnancy, first fit of worry. You get the cloth diaper and then you have inserts, right? So you take the insert out, rinse it, toss it in the washer and then reuse the next day after a wash? The cloth diaper generally stays clean-ish for a few days and then you wash it? IDK. Help? :)

1. Snaps or velcro?
2. How many should I get?
3. How many inserts?
4. How many times a day can I expect baby to poo/pee?

I plan to run the wash every night before bed but still want a few extra.

I registered for the following:

Diaper with snaps(14): http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/bumgenius-cloth-diaper-with-snap-closures-moonbeam/1018180979?skuId=18180979®istryId=6771223

Diaper inserts(20): http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/gerber-reg-birdseye-flatfold-cotton-diaper-10-pack/1018415828?skuId=18415828®istryId=6771223

Velcro(2): Should I even bother with these? http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/bumgenius-hook-loop-cloth-diaper-ribbit/1018181002?skuId=18181002®istryId=6771223

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pezessed
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:32 pm (UTC)
I had a stash of 26 diapers when my son was born. That let me wash every other day.

I prefer snaps over velcro as I find the velcro just sticks to everything. I started converting my diapers to snaps and then my mother in law mentioned that she had a hard time doing up the snaps due to arthritis. I had never thought of that.

What type of diapers are you looking at? The BumGenius in your first link are pocket diapers and they come with a newborn insert and a regular insert. That's all you should need, especially at the beginning. We use the BumGenius 4.0s and my son has been in them since he was 5 weeks old (he was 5 weeks preemie, so right around his due date he was fitting into them).

If you're looking at prefolds and covers then I would get maybe 6 covers and at least 2 dozen prefolds. The gerber look like prefolds to me.
redfield79
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:37 pm (UTC)
Okay, I will get at least 25.

Good to know. My mom is worried since I can't be a stay at home mom, will day care providers still operate with cloth diapers? I guess I'll have to look for someone who is okay with that.

I don't know! haha. So the pocket diapers should last for about a year or more? That's good to know. At least be good in the beginning.

What is the difference between prefolds and covers?

THANKS!! :)
daemon82
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:41 pm (UTC)
For daycare, I would get some simple diapers (probably velcro pockets), take them in and show them to the daycare. Velcro pockets are good because they work mostly like disposable diapers and you can stuff and prep them at home so there are no pieces that the daycare has to worry about. Unless you find a daycare that's advertising cloth diaper use, you probably won't find any that would be happy with prefolds or flats that they have to fold and put on.
redfield79
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:52 pm (UTC)
Good tip! I'll keep this in mind when shopping for daycare providers. :) Thanks!
pezessed
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
My son will be 3 in August and we're still using the BumGenius diapers. That's almost 3 years of use out of them. He's a tall, skinny boy.

You would have to check with your daycare on whether or not they'll allow cloth diapers. My mother in law watches my son once a week and then my friend watches him 3 times a week and both are fine with cloth diapers.

Prefolds are the 'inserts' that absorb the pee. The covers keep the moisture inside.

Pocket diapers are more close to disposable in how you put them on where as prefolds you need to fold or secure them around the paper (either with pins or a snapi)
redfield79
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:51 pm (UTC)
Woo! okay, I'll hope for that. haha.

That's pretty much what we think our schedule will be. His mom once a week, three days at a daycare and 1 day with me(not including weekends). I'll ask the daycare provider and his mom and see what they think. I guess it wouldn't be the worst thing to use disposables simply for those times. :\

Okay so this would be a cover: http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/bumgenius-freetime-cloth-diaper-with-snap-closures-twilight/1040955797?skuId=40955797®istryId=6771223

and these would be the prefolds/inserts: http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/gerber-reg-birdseye-flatfold-cotton-diaper-10-pack/1018415828?skuId=18415828®istryId=6771223

Sorry! I want to be super clear because I'm very confused and I'm 100% a kinesthetic learner. :(
pezessed
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
Nope, that's a all in one diaper, so everything you need is all in the one diaper.

This would be an example of a cover: http://www.buybuybaby.com/store/product/bumkins-reg-waterproof-pink-paisley-diaper-cover-extra-large/1016646946?categoryId=32078

If you can, try a few different types of diapers. We started with 12 BumGenius and 12 Fuzzibunz. I didn't like the fit of the Fuzzibunz and ended up selling them and buying more BumGenius. We also used Bummi's prefolds and covers for about 2 weeks until he outgrew the absorbancy of the preemie prefolds. I should have bought newborn prefolds instead of preemie.

Pocket diapers (like the BumGenius 4.0s) are the easiest for people to figure out since they're so much like regular disposable diapers. No folding or pinning in place needed. Just do up the snaps/velcro and you're done.
daemon82
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:37 pm (UTC)
When I first started, I loved velcro because I felt like I got a much better fit with it, and it was easier. I slowly shifted and when my second child was born, I loved snaps and slowly started destashing all of my velcro. I really think getting a variety of things to try out for your first time is better than choosing one over the other. You also might want to try some different brands. Different diapers have different fits and materials and absorbency. BumGenius were great for us in the beginning, but as my child got older, they just didn't fit right. I prefer GroVia, prefolds, and Rumparooz these days.
redfield79
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:52 pm (UTC)
Does the velcro wear? I'll get the two velcro and if they start working better I can always sell the snaps.

I will keep in mind the different brands. Thank you! :)
finding_helena
Jun. 14th, 2013 03:32 am (UTC)
We shifted away from velcro in a similar fashion. She is nearly 2 and we have finally converted them all. I do like the adjustable fit with velcro, but at a certain point the velcro started getting less tacky and she also started to be able to unfasten it.
snuck
Jun. 14th, 2013 05:12 am (UTC)
We have had this issue with velcro, and also the old 'velcro destroying everything it sticks to in the wash'issue too.
coendou
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC)
Those are pocket diapers - those, you have to wash the whole diaper, insert and shell, every time. If you want reusable covers, you'll want prefolds or something like Flip inserts to go in them. The pocket diapers come with inserts, though you can buy extras for extra overnight absorption, etc. Those Gerber things you linked to aren't what you normally put in pockets, though you can. Flats in general aren't as popiular as prefolds, and I've herd all Gerber diapers suck.

Personally, I recommend about 2 dozen diapers - you'll go though 10-12/day, and that way you're only doing laundry every other day. You have to put them through a couple wash cycles plus an extra rinse, so esp with newborn to deal with its best to give yourself a bit of time to deal with laundry.

I recommend getting a few different things to see what you like. It turned out we had major leak problems with pockets, plus my husband hated digging the inserts out and restuffing them, so it's a good thing I'd only bought a few. We mostly use prefolds & covers, and some covers worked better for us than others.

Here, you might benefit from this blog post I made after I'd gotten my head around cloth diapers and used thm for a few months:

http://dontcallmecrunchy.blogspot.com/search/label/Intro%20to%20Cloth%20Diapers

Edited at 2013-06-13 04:00 pm (UTC)
gorey_ballerina
Jun. 13th, 2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
I agree. Gerber diapers suck as prefolds, but I do have about 20 of them as cheap burp cloths! :)
hmaners
Jun. 13th, 2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
i highly highly HIGHLY recommend buying different types of diapers from different companies and trying them out on your baby before investing in a stash. from my experience being in various cloth communities, people who went off the recommendations of others only found it didnt work for them and resulted to disposables. i would get one pocket with velcro, one with poppers (bum genius pocket birth to potty are our favorite, although we also like fuzzibunz), id also get a few all in ones like Ones&Twos and/or TotBots. maybe there is a nappy library in your area that sells starter packs?

also keep in mind, a newborn will grow very quickly and needs a lot of changing especially if you breastfeed. birth to potty diapers are a good investment as they will grow with the baby, but they also tend to be too big for a lot of newborns. however if you buy sized for a newborn, consider that the baby wont be in them for long.

for my daughter, we used disposable in the newborn phase while i tried out a bunch of different cloth. i think using cloth is a learning curve that you must find your own way with and you will just feel terrible if you invest in a large stash of something you dont use.
snuck
Jun. 15th, 2013 06:35 am (UTC)
Good advice, basically what I say to people when they ask.

Newborn sizing is tiny - my son didn't even fit the newborn size ones when he was born (ok so I have big kiddos), and our WAHM pockets were too small on kiddo number one when he was one year old (I'm able to fit them okish on kiddo two who is currently four months old and the size of the average 1yr old). Plan for the longer end of use out of them if your budget is a primary concern - newborn is just a few weeks and they grow so quick. (And you need so many at that age, but as they get older you use less.)

And we used about half a dozen different brands before we found ones that a) fit the size and shape of our boys and b) held the absorbancy the way we liked and c) were suitable for how we like to wash/fold/care for.
nynaeve_sedai
Jun. 13th, 2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
Don't have much to add, I'm a n00b too! I grilled my best friend. My BFF and I are really alike, so I went with her recommendations for my stash. I have about 8-10 All-in-Ones which are velcro (I wanted snaps, but my mom found them on sale and I'm not going to turn away free LOL) - those I'm keeping for trips/babysitters/etc. I've heard they can also be good for daycares.

I opted to do primarily prefolds. For me it came down to cost. I thought about pockets and I've met people who like them, but I know myself and I know I won't keep them stuffed. So I have some AiOs that are velcro and then prefolds with snap covers. We'll see how that goes :)
kaitl
Jun. 13th, 2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
You can do a diaper trial program through Jillian's Drawers and a few other vendors to try different types (and if you like them, you can keep them!)

Maybe you could put a trial program as a "big ticket" item on your registry and see if anyone bites. My experience was that people were not interested in buying me cloth diapers off of my registry unless I told a person specifically that I was really excited about it.

You might find this link helpful to figure out what you need and what the different types are: http://www.greenmountaindiapers.com/newmom.html

Also-- once you figure out what you like, there is a huge used diaper market at diaperswappers.com and there's probably a facebook group, too.
kayeyem
Jun. 13th, 2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
Hope I'm not repeating anything, but I don't have the time at the moment to read all the comments.

But first off: You posted some BG 4.0's. Which I LOVE. But the inserts in them go inside a pocket, and once the diaper is wet or dirty, the entire diaper needs to be washed. Get at least 24 diapers (of this variety, if that's what you're going for). A newborn will wet 17-20 times a day--granted, you don't have to change them EVERYTIME they pee (especially with cloth diapers) but...I did. Or at least, as often as I noticed/checked!

Washing cloth diapers isn't as simple as a load of laundry. Most wash routines look something like this:

Rinse Cold.
Wash Hot with CD safe Soap.
Rinse Cold.
Rinse Cold.

Shells/covers get hung up to dry, inserts go in the dryer.



Daycares: Depends on state regulations, honestly, but you can usually find one that will take the CD's and treat them like disposables if you provide a container for them--they'll just ball 'em up and put them in the bin. You'll have to spray/wash them on your own later. Home day cares are more likely (in my experience) to be willing to accept cloth diapers.


Velcro vs Snaps:

I loved velcro/hook loop and thought everyone was crazy to not like it when she was a newborn. As she got older, the velcro started 'curling'--BG sells 'refresher kits" for $1...I just bought those and replace the velcro. But by that point, she was undressing herself and I needed the extra seconds that snaps provided.

She did wake up one day around 19 months old and told me she was done with diapers...and potty trained herself. Her pediatrician said that is more common with CD'd toddlers than disposable diapered babies...so there is that--roughly a month after I started making the switch to snap diapers, she potty trained. And she's been in panties since (She's 24 months old now).


They do last longer than you think they will, if you care for them properly!


If you want a 'replace inside, reuse cover' kind of thing you need to look for prefolds and covers. I'd recommend picking up a few snapi's too! (They're little kinda stretchy Y or T shaped hook-like things...think like the little hooks that you use with ace bandages?--to secure the prefold under the cover. But ask a day care about pockets or AIO's vs prefolds first, since AIO's or pocket diapers (that you prep for them) are easier and a lot like disposables, I think they're an easier sell with day cares.




kaitl
Jun. 13th, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC)
Done with dipes at 19 months?! Lucky mama! :)
kayeyem
Jun. 14th, 2013 03:21 am (UTC)
I know! She is the WORST first kid to have. She slept through the night at 6 weeks. She wakes up laughing, or singing, 95% of the time and has woke up talking or laughing since she was a few months old (she made those cute cooing sounds...it was like "oh, hi, I'm awake but just fine and happy!")...it's crazy. lol. People that know us well say it's because my pregnancy was terrible (no joke, I'm the story no one wants to hear...like, I was in ICU for a month after she was born, crazy) so to balance the scales I got the easy kid. lol.


I will admit I was kinda sad. She PT'd herself at the same time as the new BG prints coming out and I ordered six. Oh well, hope we manage to have another baby! lol
dustthouart
Jun. 13th, 2013 06:21 pm (UTC)
Do you have any real life friends/family/whatever who cloth diaper and might be willing to let you borrow a few diapers? I really recommend doing test drives. I really thought I was going to be a prefold and cover person. I tried a friend's stash (lucky for me, she had many different kinds of diapers) and to my surprise, I didn't like prefolds at all--I liked pockets. So I bought an entirely pocket stash for myself.

This friend prefers fitteds and covers to all other types (although she still uses the others). It really is very personal.

You definitely also want to have enough diapers total that you can wash every other day. Doing diapers every day is hellish. Plus you don't want to get yourself in the situation where you run out of diapers and you've got baby wrapped in a towel while you pray that the dryer finishes soon!
devonrexlvr
Jun. 13th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
We found that Flip covers work great for our boy for daytime with unbleached indian cotton prefolds. Stay away from those Gerber prefolds for diaper purposes, they make absolutely fantastic spit-up rags though. I wash every 2-3 days. We started with 2 dozen prefolds and 6 covers, a handful of pocket diapers and 3 goodmamas which we use for night. My son leaks through any prefolds and pockets that we've tried, but not the goodmamas (they need a cover, we like Blueberry since they're generously cut and go over fitteds well - which is what goodmamas are). Pocket/aio's are great for daycare, I ended up getting a used lot of BG pockets with velcro (same as in your first link) from DiaperSwapper for our nanny to use - super simple for her since it is literally like changing a disposable.
Also, all diapers are cut differently, so don't go overboard with 1 brand until you know they work. And littler babies don't fit one size diapers very well IMO, you're probably going to have leaks until your kiddo is a bit bigger (we had a lot of leaks until about 12-13lbs), but now we hardly have any.
eclips1st
Jun. 13th, 2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
We got 24 for my daughter 3 years ago. I'll echo what some have said, I'm sure:
1- it is totally worth going to a store and touching and manipulating the diapers. I gives you a good idea of what feels best for you.
2- i also recommend multiple companies if only because some fit bigger or smaller or soak more or are less bulky, and so on. With my daughter we've adapted quite a bit over the years.
3- We have both velcro and snaps. Both have positives and negatives. It's all a question of preference.
4- wehave some AIOs and pockets and in both cases, we wash both the insert and cover every time. We never reuse a cover... Could be a model thing or habit thing, I don't know.
5- 24 diapers with a newborn barely got us through 2 days. With a toddler, I can go days and days... And end up wAshing not out of need for more diapers, but hygiene!
finding_helena
Jun. 14th, 2013 03:42 am (UTC)
I bought the myth of covers being reusable--they are if the baby just pees, depending on personal preference. We were trying to use them in the newborn period. Newborns poop all the time and the poop always got on the cover no matter what fold we used! Whoever said that 3-4 covers was enough for a newborn must have been doing something way differently than we were.
finding_helena
Jun. 14th, 2013 03:40 am (UTC)
Definitely try out a few different options--but don't let yourself get overwhelmed. If you think you might like prefolds and covers, buy some prefolds and one or two brands of covers. If you think you might like pockets, buy a couple each of a couple of brands. Etc. You don't have to try every brand of pocket on the market. You can get a sense if you like them in general by trying a couple. Then if you find you like them but the fit is a little strange, you can start fine-tuning. It just seems to me that trying to amass a stash of 20 different things could be very overwhelming.

Also, unless you want to invest a decent amount in the newborn period, or unless you think that prefolds and covers are for you, I strongly suggest resigning yourself to sposies for the first month or two and then moving to one-size items. Most one-size diapers don't fit newborns well. Thirsties Duo is an exception, but they are actually two-size diapers (two different one-size diapers, one small and one large). I drove myself crazy trying to make cloth diapers work when she was a newborn. I wish I'd just let it ride for a little while; after all of our tribulations in the newborn phase, she's been 95% in cloth since she was 4 months old. Cloth diapering is not like breastfeeding. You can do it some and then do it more; do more sometimes and less other times, with no ill consequences. You don't need to hit the ground running. You can wait to get up to speed.
belleatrix
Jun. 14th, 2013 04:07 am (UTC)
snaps all the way. my 20 month old is still in the same diapers i used when she was 3months - only difference is now she's in the 'look mama i'm naked!" phase. you will want the snaps.

I like the BG4.0s for nighttime because its easy to stuff extra in them - daytime i prefer flips.

http://www.cottonbabies.com/index.php?cPath=139&gclid=CLTmyfLV4rcCFcee4AodeEwANA

they're made by the same company but the inserts and covers are separate so you can reuse a cover, just changing the insert.
mardecanela
Jun. 15th, 2013 01:34 am (UTC)
I really, really recommend that you watch this video, as well as the rest of her cloth diapering series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64os5I4_Z9Q&list=PL6e3Vmc3cHnn4_tyfNNVxxlz4JRe0C2cV&index=2

I cannot stress enough how helpful she is, and she literally answers every question you might have. The link I gave you is the second video in her series, but most closely answers your questions about what's what.
xfoundinabottle
Jun. 15th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)
I second the above suggestion of feeling the diapers in person and trying to stuff/unstuff/fold/unfold, etc. Bumgenius are good diapers, but they use microsuede, which is non stretchy, I wasn't able to use them for example because I have arthritis in my hands and it made stuffing them painful.
andrew_stempel
Nov. 15th, 2016 02:27 pm (UTC)
4 How many times a day can I expect baby to poo/pee?
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